tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post1858990958481096258..comments2023-09-19T07:53:29.105-04:00Comments on Live, Love, and Learn: I Flew Over The Cuckoo's NestJohn Hostyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05152742238759546206noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-28892060229763571792007-11-30T19:50:00.000-05:002007-11-30T19:50:00.000-05:00Conformity seems so important to the radical right...Conformity seems so important to the radical right. I spent part of my childhood growing up in New Hampshire, and I remember kids getting beaten up for being the new kid. It seems almost like a "hive" mentality. Communism lite, or something to the same effect...John Hostyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05152742238759546206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-41424322576239954982007-11-30T16:38:00.000-05:002007-11-30T16:38:00.000-05:00"Expanding a bit on that thought, they also sugges..."Expanding a bit on that thought, they also suggest that unhappy, even borderline abusive marriages must be salvaged, either in the interests of the children or for the glory of God."<BR/><BR/>Yes, because growing up in abusive household is MUCH better than the horrors of single motherhood or fatherhood.Jane Knowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13737513919725679578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-11312203500884137652007-11-30T14:25:00.000-05:002007-11-30T14:25:00.000-05:00"Renee has actually suggested that Governor McGree..."Renee has actually suggested that Governor McGreevey (the gay man formerly married to a woman) should have just sucked it up and stayed with his wife"<BR/><BR/>Expanding a bit on that thought, they also suggest that unhappy, even borderline abusive marriages must be salvaged, either in the interests of the children or for the glory of God.<BR/><BR/>When I argue on Christian Forums and I bring up the point that people should not be forced to be unhappy, the common retort is:<BR/><BR/>"Read your bible; divorce is wrong, and if you can't be happy in your marriage, then that is your cross to bear."<BR/><BR/>And your cross is nothing compare to what Jesus did for you, so to seek relief is to be selfish.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03277613176895587358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-67881883381442365752007-11-30T14:14:00.000-05:002007-11-30T14:14:00.000-05:00Yep... I am sure they use the same-old regurgitate...Yep... I am sure they use the same-old regurgitated not-thought-out responses to every single one of their opponents. <BR/>Half of them make no sense at all, and the rest are full of logical inconsistencies and made-up defintions to commonly-used words.<BR/><BR/>John Hosty, again, I applaud you for your articles. <BR/><BR/>ps-the picture is great. ;-)Jane Knowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13737513919725679578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-2262208905252826902007-11-30T13:58:00.000-05:002007-11-30T13:58:00.000-05:00One of the many things that bother me about Opine ...One of the many things that bother me about Opine Ed is that all of them seem so geniunely unhappy. Why the hell would I want to follow them?John Hostyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05152742238759546206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-91967963192442678642007-11-30T13:06:00.000-05:002007-11-30T13:06:00.000-05:00For as much talking as they do about gay people, I...For as much talking as they do about gay people, I really don't think they know what gay means. Renee has actually suggested that Governor McGreevey (the gay man formerly married to a woman) should have just sucked it up and stayed with his wife, because being gay doesn't get him "off the hook" (of what, it's not clear). <BR/><BR/><BR/>Anyway, just for fun, I googled "Opine Editorials" and came across some things.<BR/><BR/>One of them being Opine's "companion" website:<BR/><BR/>http://defendmarriageresources.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>What is this website, you may be asking? Proof of the "Fitz" moniker's obsession with negating and opposing gay people. He has compiled an exhaustive internet anti-gay "library" of sorts, rife with his usual unintelligble, mispelled, and error-prone diatribes interjected within.<BR/>I'm sure the Opiners are very proud of it though.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Secondly, hits of the Opiners participating in comment threads all over the internet came up. Amusingly, they invite people back to Opine Editorials a "group blog that defends marriage against the proposed merger with SSM" and such.<BR/><BR/>http://firststatepolitics.wordpress.com/2007/09/02/judicial-madness/#comment-27219<BR/><BR/>More telling than these shameless promotions is the fact these people have been using the same arguments for years. They don't want dialogue, because they are already convinced of the correctness of their views. We are too, admittedly- but that Chairm spouts the same fallacious "marriage demands integration of the sexes" arguments time after time, and On Lawn continues with the ridiculous "gay marriage is akin to racial segregation" bit shows me that they are unwilling to revise illogical thinking.<BR/><BR/>I guess you can't teach some old dogs new tricks.Fannie Wolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04296502470605119779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-45582327215099832562007-11-30T12:32:00.000-05:002007-11-30T12:32:00.000-05:00I don't think the Opiners even know what gay means...I don't think the Opiners even know what gay means.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03277613176895587358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-9617432226128244002007-11-30T11:16:00.000-05:002007-11-30T11:16:00.000-05:00I found the conversation you reference to be extre...I found the conversation you reference to be extremely frustrating and hostile. We both exercised much patience but ultimately I am starting to conclude that most of these people aren't working with a full deck. They are everything they claim they are not. The very words they use to talk about gay people betray the loathing and disgust that lies beneath their demeanor of "reason" and "concern for children."<BR/><BR/>They are fixated on calling us "selfish" for wanting rights they already have.<BR/><BR/>And, the anonymous "op-ed" moniker is perhaps the most hostile and unreasonable of them all. Under his cloak of anonymity, he derails conversations, takes our quotes out of context, and is hyper-combative. He is anything but looking for a dialogue.<BR/><BR/>Fitz and Jose aren't really worth dealing with anymore. Jose is very hostile and while claiming to "love" gay people never fails to write some *ahem* "philosophical" incoherent rant about gay people, their absurdity, their perversity- which is all just a long-winded way of saying gay people are icky. <BR/><BR/>And it's impossible to have an actual conversation with Renee who (as you allude) brings everything back to the beauty of man-woman sex. She is incapable of appealing to anything other than natural law for her "defense of marriage."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Anyway, I find it sad and unhealthy that their largely anonymous internet personas are almost solely dedicated to negating and opposing gay people.Fannie Wolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04296502470605119779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-36316796327707998632007-11-30T10:25:00.000-05:002007-11-30T10:25:00.000-05:00"You have no more right over the word "marriage" t..."You have no more right over the word "marriage" than you do over the word "God"."<BR/><BR/>AMEN - well stated<BR/><BR/>"You don't want our relationships dignified in the same way as yours simply because you disapprove."<BR/><BR/>I ALSO suspect that these ignorant Opiners (if you will) don't want little Britney and Johnny growing up to be big bad gays.ryan charismahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17998550316608259273noreply@blogger.com