tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post5329347586147173150..comments2023-09-19T07:53:29.105-04:00Comments on Live, Love, and Learn: California Supreme Court Validates Gay MarriageJohn Hostyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05152742238759546206noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-60249494350082415632008-05-24T19:28:00.000-04:002008-05-24T19:28:00.000-04:00Paul, there's not going to be a vote in Massachuse...Paul, there's not going to be a vote in Massachusetts; it's over. <BR/><BR/>Marriage equality is here to last. You can't control people you don't agree with by voting away their rights. <BR/><BR/>Now that California has joined us we will have a shorter struggle to the day when all states celebrate equality. <BR/><BR/>In 2000 Vermont stood alone as the only state that offered any sort of rights for gay couples. Today we have varying forms of relationship rights in CA, MA, ME, NH, CT, NJ, OR, WA, HI, DC, and we have gay marriages recognized in NM and RI. <BR/><BR/>More than 1 in 4 Americans (77 million) live in a state that understands the need for equality and has moved their laws in that direction. VT, NH, CT, and NJ are challenging themselves to go to full marriage equality just as CA has done.<BR/><BR/>I will always defend your right to say what you will and to live as freely as you choose so long as it is not at the expense of others. It's a pity you can't see the value of that philosophy and return it in ernest. <BR/><BR/>I have challenged you before to explain how you have even been inconvenienced by my marriage, but you always come up dry. If you have worthy points, make them. We are here to debate this issue, right?John Hostyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05152742238759546206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-39301650287351974192008-05-20T17:04:00.000-04:002008-05-20T17:04:00.000-04:00"(Hell, if you took a vote in the South, Jim Crow ..."(Hell, if you took a vote in the South, Jim Crow would win)"<BR/><BR/>another myth<BR/><BR/>"I'm not doing anything wrong by standing up for what I believe in. That's the American way."<BR/><BR/>Ditto Hosty - if you would only live by that example, we wouldn't have a problem. But you are determined to vilify and slander people who are doing the same thing.<BR/><BR/>Which is why I always come back to the great equalizer;<BR/><BR/>LET THE PEOPLE VOTE!!!!Paul Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03052473631921432161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-49590465167042913242008-05-20T16:00:00.000-04:002008-05-20T16:00:00.000-04:00"How many people do you think THEY represent?????"..."How many people do you think THEY represent?????"<BR/><BR/>You're probably right, Nationwide.<BR/><BR/>I was thinking merely of Massachusetts where the issue is settled to the satisfaction of all but a few noisy wingnuts.<BR/><BR/>But I concede the majority of the country has a way to go yet.<BR/><BR/>(Hell, if you took a vote in the South, Jim Crow would win)Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03277613176895587358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-68718884148171094462008-05-20T15:52:00.000-04:002008-05-20T15:52:00.000-04:00you ought to get out moreIt sounds like you spend ...you ought to get out more<BR/><BR/>It sounds like you spend all your time in the blogosphere<BR/><BR/>"We know that most people are fine with gay marriage, because the subject almost never comes up outside the blogoshere."<BR/><BR/>LOL<BR/><BR/>This is your "demonstrably false" proof<BR/><BR/>hahahah<BR/><BR/>How about this John<BR/><BR/>Hillary, Barak and McCain are ALL against gay marriage<BR/><BR/>How many people do you think THEY represent?????Paul Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03052473631921432161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-59280824350521382012008-05-20T15:39:00.000-04:002008-05-20T15:39:00.000-04:00A vote is one of the poorest forms of Democracy.We...A vote is one of the poorest forms of Democracy.<BR/><BR/>We know that most people are fine with gay marriage, because the subject almost never comes up outside the blogoshere.<BR/><BR/>When you take a vote all you do is empower the moron minority. <BR/><BR/>In every election voter turnout is what? 30%?<BR/><BR/>So if you were to get your vote you might get 55% of 30%.<BR/><BR/>A large minority, to be sure, but a minority nonetheless.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03277613176895587358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-66355334524207572352008-05-20T15:34:00.000-04:002008-05-20T15:34:00.000-04:00"That is demonstrably false"How is that John?a vot..."That is demonstrably false"<BR/><BR/>How is that John?<BR/><BR/>a vote was never takenPaul Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03052473631921432161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-88876189451085711562008-05-20T15:12:00.000-04:002008-05-20T15:12:00.000-04:00"Coalition for Marriage and Family Inc. Uses Hate ..."Coalition for Marriage and Family Inc. Uses Hate and Fear in Soliciting Donations"<BR/><BR/>sounds like Mass Equality, Know Thy Neighbor and YOU<BR/><BR/>you do the same thing Hosty<BR/><BR/>I have gay friends who want nothing to do with your agenda<BR/><BR/>and I am quite happy thank youPaul Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03052473631921432161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-2782880643004238232008-05-20T10:28:00.000-04:002008-05-20T10:28:00.000-04:00"Like you and your side have never wasted anyone's..."Like you and your side have never wasted anyone's time with all of this foolishness to begin with."<BR/><BR/>Stop right there. I'm not doing anything wrong by standing up for what I believe in. That's the American way. <BR/><BR/>Have you ever noticed how angry you sound all the time? What a waste of energy and time. Better yet, what a waste of the gift of life. <BR/><BR/>Here's my advice Paul. If you are geniunely concerned about a gay agenda why not make a few gay friends and see what GLBT are really like. It seems clear to me that you are either deathly afraid of gays, or you're just a miserable mean spirited man. <BR/><BR/>Sorry if that stings but it seems true, so I'm saying it out loud.John Hostyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05152742238759546206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-4374909878132682372008-05-20T09:00:00.000-04:002008-05-20T09:00:00.000-04:00"Its actually a vocal majority who don't believe t..."Its actually a vocal majority who don't believe that gay marriage is a right<BR/><BR/>That is demonstrably false.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03277613176895587358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-85845080999514107872008-05-20T08:25:00.000-04:002008-05-20T08:25:00.000-04:00The sky has fallen HostyThe right to vote was deni...The sky has fallen Hosty<BR/><BR/>The right to vote was denied the people<BR/><BR/>Cities and towns across the commonwealth are fighting against this legal precedent being used as a curriculum enhancer in the schools<BR/><BR/>Massachusetts is the laughing stock of the nation and companies are leaving in droves<BR/><BR/>People are leaving in droves as well, unable to live in a stste that denies them a petition process and mocks their will to participate in the democratic process<BR/><BR/>please don't imply that the sky hasn't fallen, Massachusetts is a messPaul Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03052473631921432161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-30881018662338245632008-05-20T08:20:00.000-04:002008-05-20T08:20:00.000-04:00That was not what I was implying ToleosIts actuall...That was not what I was implying Toleos<BR/><BR/>Its actually a vocal majority who don't believe that gay marriage is a right<BR/><BR/>The vocal ignorant minority are you and your lackeys suing everyone for your special rights<BR/><BR/>Isn't that specialPaul Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03052473631921432161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-3639761819529146132008-05-20T05:44:00.000-04:002008-05-20T05:44:00.000-04:00"The vote was your biggest nightmare though and yo..."The vote was your biggest nightmare though and you would not have liked the outcome"<BR/><BR/>I agree; most people are decent, but stupid. A vocal, ignorant minority will always show up any time they get the chance to deny other's rights.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03277613176895587358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-36378554624080411922008-05-19T21:24:00.000-04:002008-05-19T21:24:00.000-04:00"You know in a way I kinda wish there had been a v..."You know in a way I kinda wish there had been a vote of the people here, just so that people like you would not have that point of contention."<BR/><BR/>Good Hosty - I am glad to see you coming around.<BR/><BR/>The vote was your biggest nightmare though and you would not have liked the outcome<BR/><BR/><BR/>and stop crying about Arizona <BR/><BR/>Like you and your side have never wasted anyone's time with all of this foolishness to begin withPaul Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03052473631921432161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-17665064731532738342008-05-19T11:16:00.000-04:002008-05-19T11:16:00.000-04:00Paul, you might want to inform youself on the Gove...Paul, you might want to inform youself on the Governator's decision:<BR/><BR/>http://livelovelearn247.blogspot.com/2008/04/yuotube-video-of-governators-stand-for.html<BR/><BR/>He said flat out that he would fight against the amendment, thought that it was a waste of time, and that Californians we smarter than allowing such a measure to go through.<BR/><BR/>You know in a way I kinda wish there had been a vote of the people here, just so that people like you would not have that point of contention.<BR/><BR/>The only trouble with that is those people who want a vote are not satisfied even when they get one if it does not go there way. I cite Arizona as my example. The people flat out voted the amendment down, yet those opponents of equality have come back to waste more time and try to delay the inevitable.<BR/><BR/>In 2000 we had one state that had civil unions; Vermont. Only 8 years later we have various levels of equality in 10 states, also in D.C., and same sex marriages are recognized in RI, NM, and now even NY!<BR/><BR/>This represents more than 25% of the national population. We've come a long way baby!John Hostyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05152742238759546206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-80006258945589099322008-05-19T11:05:00.000-04:002008-05-19T11:05:00.000-04:00LOL, the governor flat said it was for the courts ...LOL, the governor flat said it was for the courts to decide.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03277613176895587358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-79742280816246976642008-05-19T11:04:00.000-04:002008-05-19T11:04:00.000-04:00yes - but at least the people will be able to vote...yes - but at least the people will be able to vote<BR/><BR/>and the Govenor says he wants to abide by the will of the peoplePaul Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03052473631921432161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-70619260546100951292008-05-19T10:33:00.000-04:002008-05-19T10:33:00.000-04:00This vote that you want may just happen, although ...This vote that you want may just happen, although it will happen after thousands have already been married. That vote, if successful, would be invalidated by the fact that the California Supreme Court has already recognized our right to full and equal marriage as being protected by the Constitution:<BR/><BR/><I>page 111 of the CA SJC decision:</I><BR/>"...our past cases at the same time uniformly establish that initiative measures adopted by the electorate are subject to the same constitutional limitations that apply to statutes adopted by the Legislature, and our courts have not hesitated to invalidate measures enacted through the initiative process when they run afoul of constitutional guarantees provided by either the federal or California Constitution."John Hostyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05152742238759546206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-34445395095246202222008-05-18T23:14:00.000-04:002008-05-18T23:14:00.000-04:00Its actually a chant Hosty - and it goes like this...Its actually a chant Hosty - and it goes like this<BR/><BR/>Let the People Vote!<BR/>Let the People Vote!<BR/><BR/>California Votes!<BR/>California Votes!<BR/><BR/>Let America vote!<BR/>Let America vote!Paul Jamiesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03052473631921432161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-55260996058179878042008-05-17T13:21:00.000-04:002008-05-17T13:21:00.000-04:00Like I said before Alex, the state supreme court, ...Like I said before Alex, the state supreme court, legislators, and governor are all against bigotry, so good luck with your cause.<BR/><BR/>While you consider what to say in return perhaps you could give us an understanding of society's need to limit marriage and exclude GLBT people from marrying who they want?<BR/><BR/>There has been 4 years of equality here in Massachusetts and the sky has not yet fallen. How long does it take before we will see the negative effects? <BR/><BR/>Can you tell us how you personally have been effected? What rights you've had to give up or things that have even inconvenienced you as a result of marriage equality?John Hostyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05152742238759546206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-55436643778377436912008-05-17T10:24:00.000-04:002008-05-17T10:24:00.000-04:00It isn't over yet. A Constitutional Amendment ban...It isn't over yet. A Constitutional Amendment banning so called same-sex "marriage" will send this California decision where it belongs: to the dustbin of history.<BR/><BR/>We are more determined than ever to fight this abomination.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-16929214655499826392008-05-15T15:11:00.000-04:002008-05-15T15:11:00.000-04:00Everybody knows an ant can't move a rubber tree pl...Everybody knows an ant can't move a rubber tree plant!<BR/><BR/>But he's got high hopes,<BR/>He's got high hopes!<BR/><BR/>Whooops, there goes another rubber tree plant!<BR/><BR/>Sing it with me Paul! ;)John Hostyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05152742238759546206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-12148545998633410332008-05-15T14:47:00.000-04:002008-05-15T14:47:00.000-04:00Sweet !!!Sweet !!!Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03277613176895587358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21731268.post-49535431158192695612008-05-15T14:43:00.000-04:002008-05-15T14:43:00.000-04:00Yahoooooo!(Cue the backlash....)Yahoooooo!<BR/><BR/>(Cue the backlash....)Fannie Wolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04296502470605119779noreply@blogger.com