Wednesday, January 09, 2008

What's Eating Paul Jamieson?

(Picture from the Boston Herald)

I first heard from Paul Jamieson on knowthyneighbor.org where he began posting on Tom Lang's blog. Here is an example of Paul's early days:

Do you really think that publishing peoples names will deter others from signing?

This will only serve to embolde the traditional marriage side.

Most people just want to vote for or against gay marriage. The Attorney general, just this week agreed that it should be put to a vote.

Would you display the results of an election and why people voted for who?

Maybe, and that is fine. I don't see what the big deal is. It absolutley tramples on peoples privacy, but maybe it will wake them up to the fact that they need to be out there toe to toe with the pro gay marriage folks and be heard and stand up for what they believe in.

This list will help people to see that most people would never vote for gay marriage in massachusetts.

This has been known for sometime and is the reason that gay marriage proponents are afraid of the democratic voting process.

Posted by: Paul Jamieson | September 14, 2005 at 02:36 PM


Paul also started posting under multiple monikers, and subsequently we have caught him doing this over and over again. In spite of the open hostility Paul brought right from the begining, Tom, Aaron and I tried to keep it civil, and offer answers to fears he raised. One such theme that seemed to be a mantra handed down from the now defunct Massachusetts Family Institute was that knowthyneighbor.org is about intimidation. Aaron answers this call well in this thread:

Encouraging Democracy Not Intimidation
The initiative petition process is the closest we get to direct democracy at the state government level. It allows the citizens to bypass the normal legislative process to push forward legislation on their own. In effect, the citizens become the legislators.

But that comes at a price. Just as a state senator must weigh his or her own personal convictions against those of constituents when making a decision to support or oppose legislation, so the citizen legislator must weigh his or her own personal convictions against those of friends and neighbors. The state senator risks alienating a part of the constituency. The citizen legislator risks losing respect in the community.

Now as an average citizen, realizing how much power your signature actually has can be a little scary. I can even understand how someone might feel "intimidated" by such power being vested in them by our system of democracy. But in the end, what's really going on is that individual citizens are being empowered to make decisions that directly affect the lives of their neighbors with the middle man (the legislature) taken somewhat out of the equation. This is a privilege of living in a democratic society and must be taken seriously!


Therefore, don't just sign the clipboard because it gets shoved in your face outside Stop 'n Shop and you're in a rush. Sign it because you fully understand the issue at hand, have weighed the repercussions on yourself and your neighbors, and truly believe the Commonwealth would be better off if the legislation was enacted!


We at KnowThyNeighbor.org believe that if the people of Massachusetts take the initiative petition process with the seriousness that it is due, reasonable people will see the petition for what it really is and decide not to sign it.

Aaron Toleos, Director

Of course this fell on deaf ears:

There is no question that the purpose of this website is intimidation. There is little effort made to hide it.

If I were to provide a list of the home addresses of black families to a white supremacist organization, and then say "que sera sera," would I be blameless if bad things were to happen to them? The answer is no. This is a thinly veiled incitement to harassment or violence against citizens for exercising their constitutional rights. It is no different from intimidating voters to keep them from exercising the franchise.

Most people in this state reject the use of intimidation. They will hold this website in the scorn that it deserves.

I hadn't even been aware of this petition initiative prior to reading a news story about this website. After learning of the Gestapo tactics employed by the KnowThyNeighbor group, I am now motivated to seek out the Massachusetts Family Institute and sign their petition. I will encourage my neighbors to do likewise. I am somewhat ambivalent about the subject matter, but it is better to leave it to the citizens of the Commonwealth to decide this, than to leave it in the hands of a vocal minority who has shown a willingness to incite harassment against their neighbors.

If my property is vandalized after I sign the petition, I hold the creators of this website responsible. While the cowardly perpetrators of the act may have retreated out of sight, I doubt I will have any trouble locating you. You will be called to account.


Posted by: Disapproves of Intimidation | September 13, 2005 at 06:36 PM

Paul has gone as far as threatening an elderly gay man in his sixties with a heart condition. When he asked where Mark and Nigel lived so he could have a face to face exchange with them, I stepped in and offered him to talk with me. He didn't seem so eager to meet someone who is younger and bigger than he.

Paul also couldn't keep a respectful distance when the entire GLBT community was rocked by the Jacob Robita homicidal rampage:

only have one thing to say:

PEOPLE LIKE PAUL JAMIESON, KRIS MINEAU, AND ALL THE OTHER FALSE PROPHETS ARE *** ABSOLUTELY*** RESPONSIBLE, IN PART, FOR RISING INCIDENTS SUCH AS THESE.

Hey Peter,

I have only one thing to say to you; no, two things;

Thank you for continuing to show us all the lunacy that runs through the Secular Utopian's minds and;

LET THE PEOPLE VOTE

Posted by: Paul Jamieson | February 03, 2006 at 10:01 PM


My sense of outrage led me to post his publicly listed telephone number for people to call and talk with him directly:

Please direct your comments for Paul to his home telephone number: 978-887-xxxx

>>>START MODERATOR<<<<

I x'd out Paul's home phone. I understand that people are heated but I don't think this is constructive.

moderator@knowthyneighbor.org

>>>END MODERATOR<<<

Posted by: John Hosty | February 03, 2006 at 10:35 PM

Hey John,

That is straight out intimidation and a page right out of the psycho in New Bedfords book.

Keep it up Salemman, you are fanning the flames and are close to a lawsuit.




Posted by: Paul Jamieson | February 03, 2006 at 11:12 PM

Aren't you going to ask to meet me eye to eye like you did with 60 year old Mark? Am I too much man for you to try to threaten in the same way? You are nothing but a coward with a big mouth.

Posted by: John Hosty | February 03, 2006 at 11:23 PM

John is not one who would lightly have posted that phone number. What you're presently witnessing, Paul, are not at all unwarranted expressions of deep grief and righteous rage. John was surely motivated by a quite understandable sense of shock and outrage over your continued insensitivity. I can hardly fault him.

Posted by: Owen R. Broadhurst | February 04, 2006 at 01:52 AM

I appologize to all for my outburst last night and for posting Paul's telephone number. I have not been prompted to appologize, it just seems like the right thing to do. I cried tears of frustration when I heard the news about what happened at Puzzles and I went to this website to read what my family here had to say. When I saw that Paul was here putting a spin on the issue like it was just another day to argue his opinions with us, I snapped. I don't think it was appropriate to list his telephone number, but I do not consider that intimidation. I felt it was giving people the ability to reach directly a person who lives to taunt us here, and could not keep himself from doing so even in one of our most painfull moments. If I had listed his address and suggested we all go over and do something to him or his property, that would be criminal.

If Tom and Aaron see it fit to continue Paul's access to this website, which would be the fair and democratic thing to do, just remember that we don't have to take the bait and answer any of his posts anymore. As far as I am concerned he no longer exists. He has never contributed anything of value or drawn our society closer together, I believe he is here solely to amuse himself at our expense, and I am not paying the bill anymore.

Posted by: John Hosty | February 04, 2006 at 08:01 PM



As you can see there were no threats like Paul wishes to claim. He himself even admits that not a single person bothered him:

I must say though, to everyone's credit here, my family didn't receive a single call. And I appreciate that.

Posted by: Paul Jamieson | February 07, 2006 at 04:44 PM


Throughout the years I have oscillated on whether or not to bother with Paul, or if some people are best left to themselves. I find it hypocritical of myself to ask my opponents to try and be respectful neighbors if I am not, so I keep trying to reach out when I find the strength. Whenever I have tried to ignore Paul, he follows me around from blog to blog with attacks and misrepresentations. He sends messages to me like this one sent on Christmas Eve day:

How pathetic is it when you write a blogpost and then comment on it yourself

get a life Hosty

Your no respect argumentrs are ridiculous as is this so called war that you wage against a society that is tolerant

You are just a selfish pig who wants special roghts at the expense of everyone else.


Posted by Paul Jamieson (deleted) to Live, Love, and Learn at December 24, 2007 2:09 PM


Even with years of exchanges, literally thousands of comments back and forth, I am no closer to understanding why Paul is so full of piss and vinegar than I was when I first came across him. So again I have tried to bring the level of dialog up a notch and give him the microphone. I offered him the chance to post a thread to my blog of his own creation. This was his response:

Ok

Here is my finished article;

begin;

LET THE PEOPLE VOTE!

end.

and this is no game either - that is my main sentiment and always has been - but you and your radical side just love to hear yourselves talk like so many politicians and twist and make the debate about hate and anti gay and blah blah blah

it is a simple fact - everyone has the right to have a say on the matter at hand whether you belive it is a civil right or not.

--
Paul Jamieson


Paul leaves me wondering what his fascination is with the GLBT, and what exactly he wants to contribute to the world. Given the thousands of comments he has left on KTN and elsewhere, it seems odd I would be able to say, but I geniunely still know very little about this person. I don't like what I have seen thus far, but perhaps I should sit down and listen.

Paul, you've been looking for a chance to speak up and be heard; the floor is yours...

37 comments:

Fannie said...

"Let the people vote"?

Is that all he had to say, once he's done verbally attacking?

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Yes, I was a little disappointed too. After all that sound and fury, to see that it signified nothing seems hard to understand.

Like I said, I've got no real understanding of what his angle is.

Paul Jamieson said...

Of course you don't understand Hosty because you are what is wrong with this country today.

Its not about gays or hate or civil rights

Its about moonbats like you who are so selfish and self absorbed to the point of writing to yourself on your own blog LOL



So OK Hosty - I'll play along with your foolish little game.


I know you think there is some big conspiracy going on and that I am some grand webmaster under the control of (name of hate group here)

That is what is the most fun in this for me!!!! :-)

I will say it again for the umpteenth time ok
are you ready - open your ears now

Its about you and others trying to INTIMIDATE YOUR NEIGHBORS

Its about you and others trying to claim the Civil Rights mantle from people who really deserved it

its about freedom and the Democratic process

Its about people being able to petition and ammend the Constitution

Its about the relentless agenda driven bullshit we have to put up with everywhere, everyday because someone somewhere is offended, has a peanut allergy or other bizarre selfish need for attention

Its about you and others blaming society and petiton signers for Jacob Robida's lunacy

Its about you being able to dish it out, but not being able to take it.

You will never get it Hosty because

You

are

all

about

you

DONT TREAD ON ME!
LET THE PEOPLE VOTE!

PS - It is quite disturbing that you put so much effort into this post. But I appreciate you putting it all out there for posterity - I wear it like a badge of honor. Too bad most of it is lies and exaggerations

You Toleos and Lang didn't realize who you were messing with. You don't scare me with your pithy "expose" and I know that is your real modus operandi - others have experienced your bizarre threats

Just like KTN - you think people actually buy your bullshit - but its only hate speech

And you end up laughed at and mocked like you were over at Blue Mass Group and Mass Equality - when will you ever get it?

Your pathetic story about Mark and Nigel the theocracy conspiracy moonbats with their oh so lofty and smarmy hate speech.

If you can't stand the heat then get out of the fucking kitchen

And please don't try to make it sound like I was threatening a 60 year old man

You sound like Hillary getting all emotional and "teary" boo hoo

and LOL you came to a 60 year old heart condition man's defense and say you will beat me up because you are bigger than me?

You really are a disturbed individual

anyway I hope I have given you some fodder for your little hate blog- I am now famous!!!!!

I made John Hosty's Blog!!!!!!

LOL

Jane Know said...

Wow, Paul is weird.

Paul Jamieson said...

wow Jane is a freak

Paul Jamieson said...

this is fun - c'mon Jane do it again!!!!!!!!

John said...

As I have said numerous times on KTN, I seriously doubt that you really believe in "Let the

People Vote".

I'll bet you anything that you think our Constitution guarantees you the right to send your children to a private School, yet the people of Oregon voted to deny that right. The court wisely said that the ninth amendment implies such a right, and the will of the people must be denied. (Pierce v. Society of Sisters)

I'll bet you anything that you believe that blacks and whites should be allowed to marry, even though Loving v. Virginia was decided on 14th amendment grounds, and the framers of said amendment were clearly on record as saying the 14th amendment should not be so
construed. The court wisely ignored not only the will of the people, but the expressed written intent of the Framers.

I'll bet you anything that you believe you have a right to use birth control, yet Connecticut voters said no. (Griswold v. Connecticut)

I'll bet you anything that you are praying that the US Supreme Court overrules the people of Washington D.C and inteprets the second amendment as an individual right.

I could go on and on, but this is the fact of the American Way. The courts (outside probate, family and criminal) exist for the sole purpose of denying the will of the people when that will is contrary to the "manifest tenor" (Federalist 78) of our Constitutions.

If you run down the list of countermajoritarian decisions, you will agree with some, not so
much with others.

But we all agree that democracy is often the tyrant's tool.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Paul, where do we begin?

First off, why do you feel intimindated Paul? I think you have been provided an adequate answer to your fear that KTN was about intimidation. We can only show you the closet has no Boogey Man so many times, then you have to make that leap of faith yourself.

As far as me being selfish because I demand my rights, why that's preposterous. I want only what you and others already have, how does that make me selfish? If anything I think it is selfish to deny someone the same rights you enjoy.

You are right though, you are famous. Pity that it isn't for the right reasons though.

Paul Jamieson said...

"I could go on and on"

LOL!!!!!!!!!

Paul Jamieson said...

blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah. Blah bla blaa blah, blah blah blah blah!

BLA BLAH BLAHBLAH BLAH!

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Is this really the level you have reduced yourself to Paul? Seriously, I'm trying to give you an opportunity to clarify things yourself.

I am honest about my frustrations and suspicions with you, but my mind is not closed. Is there a way inwhich we can live as respectful neighbors, or are you never going to allow that?

John said...

Paul, are you denying that in the cases I mentioned that the court did the right thing by denying the will of the people?

Fannie said...

My favorite Paul-ism is this:

"Its about the relentless agenda driven bullshit we have to put up with everywhere, everyday because someone somewhere is offended, has a peanut allergy or other bizarre selfish need for attention"

Since when is a peanut allergy (a condition that is potentially life-threatening) a "bizarre selfish need for attention"? I'm sure most people with such an allergy would, you know, prefer not to have it. But, see, they can't help it. It's a medical condition.

When he makes comments such as these, it only reinforces that dialogue with Paul is fruitless.

He claims that John Hosty is all about John Hosty, but Paul is the one whose comments indicate that he doesn't want to live in a world where he "must" tolerate people different from him- whether they be gays, other "bizarre" people or people with food allergies.

If he is representative of "the masses," that is a truly scary thought. And exactly why we have and need an independent judiciary that can transcend a tyranny of the (ignorant) majority.

John said...

Paul,

Am I selfish for asking for reasonable accommodations for my hearing impairment?

I am grateful that the government funded the closed captions upon which I rely.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Notice a pattern? OnLawn and Paul seem to share something in common.

Both of them have plenty to say about what others do, but when they are given the floor, they have nothing to contribute.

If they share a respectful dialog with us, their logic can be questioned. Since they don't have answers to what we ask, this is an embarassing experience for them. They'd rather keep us busy with distractions and ad hominem attacks.

All the dirty tricks in the world aren't going to keep the truth from coming out. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the them the time.

There are no sound reasons to discriminate, end of story.

Jane Know said...

Paul, just like On Lawn, is a mere distraction from any real argument.

From "blahblahblah" to "LET THE PEOPLE VOTE," his comments prove, time and time again, that he really doesn't have anything of substance to say.

He constantly accuses gay people of being "selfish" and "absurd" and "weird" or whatever he said over on my blog, and then whines that he is the one being attacked.

I wonder how long he will keep trolling our blogs, just waiting to add another immature, nonsensical argument to the conversation.

Paul Jamieson said...

From "blahblahblah" to "LET THE PEOPLE VOTE

no

I said

Of course you don't understand Hosty because you are what is wrong with this country today.

Its not about gays or hate or civil rights

Its about moonbats like you who are so selfish and self absorbed to the point of writing to yourself on your own blog LOL



So OK Hosty - I'll play along with your foolish little game.


I know you think there is some big conspiracy going on and that I am some grand webmaster under the control of (name of hate group here)

That is what is the most fun in this for me!!!! :-)

I will say it again for the umpteenth time ok
are you ready - open your ears now

Its about you and others trying to INTIMIDATE YOUR NEIGHBORS

Its about you and others trying to claim the Civil Rights mantle from people who really deserved it

its about freedom and the Democratic process

Its about people being able to petition and ammend the Constitution

Its about the relentless agenda driven bullshit we have to put up with everywhere, everyday because someone somewhere is offended, has a peanut allergy or other bizarre selfish need for attention

Its about you and others blaming society and petiton signers for Jacob Robida's lunacy

Its about you being able to dish it out, but not being able to take it.

You will never get it Hosty because

You

are

all

about

you

DONT TREAD ON ME!
LET THE PEOPLE VOTE!

PS - It is quite disturbing that you put so much effort into this post. But I appreciate you putting it all out there for posterity - I wear it like a badge of honor. Too bad most of it is lies and exaggerations

You Toleos and Lang didn't realize who you were messing with. You don't scare me with your pithy "expose" and I know that is your real modus operandi - others have experienced your bizarre threats

Just like KTN - you think people actually buy your bullshit - but its only hate speech

And you end up laughed at and mocked like you were over at Blue Mass Group and Mass Equality - when will you ever get it?

Your pathetic story about Mark and Nigel the theocracy conspiracy moonbats with their oh so lofty and smarmy hate speech.

If you can't stand the heat then get out of the fucking kitchen

And please don't try to make it sound like I was threatening a 60 year old man

You sound like Hillary getting all emotional and "teary" boo hoo

and LOL you came to a 60 year old heart condition man's defense and say you will beat me up because you are bigger than me?

You really are a disturbed individual

anyway I hope I have given you some fodder for your little hate blog- I am now famous!!!!!

I made John Hosty's Blog!!!!!!

LOL

Jane Know said...

Paul,
do you really think gay people want to get married because it's part of an "agenda?" You don't give people enough credit. You call them selfish for wanting rights that you already have, that they are denied? Please explain why if you expect this discussion to get anywhere.

But I don't expect that you expect that.

Fannie said...

"You sound like Hillary getting all emotional and "teary" boo hoo"

If I may interject, the only person I see here getting all emotional is Paul.

Paul, focus. More substance. Less emoting.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

"So OK Hosty - I'll play along with your foolish little game."

Instead of bitching about a single person, why not take this opportunity to talk to lurkers and others who are sympathetic to your cause. Don't you have anything to say abut what you believe, or why you believe it?

Paul, the feelings you have towards me are mutual. I don't particularly like what you do, or trust what you say. Life is about more than that though, and I believe everyone deserves to have their voice heard, even those who disrespect me like you do.

I don't know what to do to help you feel better about the world we both live in, but if you have some honest input it might help clarify why you have such a hair across your ass. Be happy, just not on my dime. My rights are every bit as important to me as yours are to you.

When we started our dialog there were only two states that had a form of recognition for gay relationships, VT and MA. Ma may still be the only state with full marriage equality, but there are now ten states that have varying forms of recognition.

If you have some input you think is pertinent, we could discuss it. My ears are not deaf to your needs, you just have to explain them to me, and what you see as a remedy. GLBT people are rapidly being recognized as individuals rather than a malicious stereotype.

I'd like to see the opposing sides mend the fence, but perhaps it's still too soon. You still see this as a game.

Paul Jamieson said...

stop intimidating people

and get some pyschiatric help

Jane Know said...

Projection, much?

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Paul, I could say the same to you, only I can back it up with facts.

For example, are you still boycotting Westerhoff Antiques? You have twice (perhaps more than twice) that I know of made the claim that you would no longer shop in Tom Lang's store. We all had a great laugh about your dishonesty since we know you have never shopped there. Tom keeps a record of everything, but even if he hadn't, what the Hell would you do with a $5,000 end table?

You know the truth as well as I, you never shopped there, you were lying.

It is your continued use of lies and the insistance they are truth that make you a great candidate for psychotherapy. That and your unyielding hatred.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Paul claims that we are the ones who intimidate, yet read this:

Scott,

What is your address? I would like to come over and talk about it.


Posted by: Paul Jamieson | January 09, 2006 at 11:42 PM

Cmon Scott - what's the matter, afraid of giving out your address, afraid to stand up for what you believe in? Afraid to engage me in discussion?

No spine

Posted by: Paul Jamieson | January 11, 2006 at 07:41 AM



PAUL SAID:

"Cowards"

AND...

"Toleos - when are you going to come to my house and have a discussion?"

Why are you so afraid?"

AND...

"Aaron Toleos lives down my street but still hasn't shown the courage or fortitude to come to my house for this 'discussion.'"

AND...

"Please come to my house and visit my Homophobic, Nazi family!

Please - if you have any guts at all."

RESPONSE:

There ya go talkin all macho again, Paul, when in the end, you wussed out of meeting me vis-a-vis, when you were the one to propose the meeting in this instance.

You're such a fraud.

You'd like newbies to the blog to believe you are the voice of reason and righteous outrage, but it is YOU who have earned yourself hostility from your opposition...

*** The things you have said about us are beyond any form of harassment. ***

Folks from Oregon, Mr. Jamieson says:

"Don't believe Aaron Toleos for a minute."

But it is Mr. Jamieson who is not to be believed...

Wish to see for yourself?

Just review the archives and read exchanges between "THE PATRIOT" and anyone else...

You'll see just how innocent and how much of a "victim" Mr. Jamieson is.

Posted by: Lula | September 07, 2007 at 11:04 AM

Just can't get enough of me eh?

I see your obsession continues

Ok Lulu the liar

Prove to everyone that I am Paul Jamieson

Posted by: The Patriot | September 07, 2007 at 11:47 AM

Check out the comments for yourself:

http://knowthyneighbor.blogs.com/home/2007/09/knowthyneighbor.html

Paul Jamieson said...

Thank you for posting this Hosty

intimidator Hosty

I have stood up to your hate and it drives you crazy

I will always react to you and your liberal hate speech

Always in response to the bully, I will challenge the bully and expose him

I never make a comment unless I am reacting to the hate speech

after being slandered and intimidated I will often ask the perp if he would like the same treatment - come over to his house for a "conversation" or respond to him in a threatening manner like your example above.

Another tactic is to use the filthy name calling they use directly against them. When they call me names - I will respond with names of my own in order to teach them about the hate they spread.

It works wonders and usually gets them to shut up

You see, this isn't a fascination with gay people like Hosty thinks -
no

its more about crushing liberal stupidity. I have no issues with gays - just idiotic liberals like Lang, Toleos and Hosty who think they can scare people with their stupid intimidation.

PS - oh and yes I have "shopped" at Westerhoffs high priced low value uppity lilly white "antique" shoppe

I just never bought any of that overpriced crap that he sells

I am more of a Todd Farmer and patron of the other REAL Essex shops that have histories and real families. Not people like Lang who bought himself and his partner into the business.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Paul, you're a liar and a coward, but you are still an American, therefore my brother. I don't agree with a lot of the things you do, but in the end I will always look for a hope that we can live as peacful neighbors.

These are your own words I have posted. You should read them and think what they say about you. Soon your children will be old enough to read these comments and wonder what is wrong with you themselves. For their sake, for your own sake, quit behaving like a spoiled chold and learn to love while there is still time.

The road you are on that gives you such a bitter disposition is of your own choosing. You cannot blame others for the fool you've made of yourself.

Paul Jamieson said...

still don't get it do you Hosty?

that is your reply?

"You should read them and think what they say about you. Soon your children will be old enough to read these comments and wonder what is wrong with you themselves."

lol - I guess you think you know my children

MY CHILDREN ARE BY MY SIDE WHEN I AM WRITING HOSTY

They have witnessed your hatred and tomfoolery firsthand and enjoy watching you go down in flames almost as much as I do

You will never learn to love Hosty because you are a selfish egotistical pig who likes to intimidate others

Good day sir

From Paul Jamieson and Family

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Whatever Paul. You know I have never tried to intimidate you, but you'll lie and say I did, or that you were. Your kids can't think this is OK unless you've also taught them that lying is OK.

Hey, whatever set of morals works for you Paul. You're hate does nothing but motivate me to reach those who will be disgusted by your actions. Those good people keep coming forward, more ech day, to let me know that they believe we are all in this together too.

So long as you lie, hate, and obsess over this issue you'll find me exposing your actions. Your wrods do your credibility more harm than I ever could. Bigots have no place in the 21st century America. You'll either learn this or be dismissed by those who do understand the importance of unity, peace, and honesty.

Paul Jamieson said...

blah blah blah

answer the question Hosty

"You know I have never tried to intimidate you"

THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE EVER DONE

your "crusade" is to tell people what they think and then slander them when they disagree with you.

YOU SPECIFICALLY GAVE OUT MY PERSONAL INFORMATION AND TOLD PEOPLE TO HARASS ME

YOU ARE PART OF THE KTN ORGANIZATION THAT PUBLISHED PEOPLES NAMES IN AN EFFORT TO INTIMIDATE THEM

YOU LOSE SIR

YOU LOSE

GET A LIFE AND STOP ATTACKING PEOPLE

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

There is no intimidation in giving out public information. KTN encouraged dialog, which I might add even you were allowed to be a part of. Not one single police report has ever been filed against KTN or any of it's affiliates complaining of any aggressive actions as a result of these postings. That truth is inconvenient for you, isn't it? ;)

I published your publically known phone number because you were being an asshole even when Robida had just tried to kill people for being gay. You have no class. I knew it would get under your skin, but I never asked anyone to harass you.

I have copied and pasted these exchanges right here in case you want to deny the fact you said no one called you. Sorry paul, looks like the truth is going to win out in spite of your lies and denials. The great thing about Americans is that once they have been lied to they will no longer listen to anyhting that person says.

Your voice will be not be slienced, it will simply cease to matter. What I find so vindicating about this is that it will be your own dishonesty, your own doing that causes this.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Oh, one more thing;

151 to 45 means I won. ;)

You had your vote via representative democracy, and you lost. Get over it and start paying attention to your family instead of mine.

Paul Jamieson said...

liar - the consensus is you are an intimidator

Your own people have slapped you down and refuse to be associated with you

Why would that be?

Mass Equality sees what you are trying to do and has dissmissed you as a pain in the ass

They want nothing to do with intimidators like you

They know you hurt them

Now all you can do is whine

Paul Jamieson said...

"I published your publically known phone number because you were being an asshole even when Robida had just tried to kill people for being gay."

very dangerous way to intimidate someone Hosty

IF you call calling for calm heads and agreeing with Barney Frank being an asshole - so be it.

The crux of that conversation was "who is to blame for the mental case killing gays at a bar in New Bedford"

You and your simpleton haters said it was people like me and our attitudes about the petition process that were to blame

WHO WAS BEING THE REAL ASSHOLE HOSTY

YOU CAN TRY TO RE WRITE HISTORY BUT YOU WILL LOSE

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

MassEquality.org also published the names of the people on the anti-gay marriage petition, or did you forget that? They decided to take that off their website because they were intimidated into doing so by people like you. No such luck intimidating Tom Lang though.

Nice try on rewriting history though.

People like you are what's wrong with America, but your day is almost over. Soon people will do the same thing I do. They will conduct themselves as if you never existed, and occasionally wonder whatever happened to the poor, sad little man who couldn't keep up with life's changes. Who couldn't live in peace as a true American would.

Paul, you and your kind is what's wrong with America, but it won't matter much longer. The next generation is so over the teachings of hate and fear you promote as value. Soon it will be their voice that we hear, not ours. I applaud how they can see right through the bullshit and stand up for equality of all kinds.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

I don't hate you Paul, a simply disapprove of the hate you spread. Perhaps once you realize that you have been wasting all this time trying to get people to hate gays again, you'll come out and play nice with your neighbors. If not, you can keep it up, but it seems no one is really listening to you, not even yourself.

I'll keep my hopes up that you'll one day do the right thing and learn to live in leace with those whom you disagree with. Honestly, there's not much else you can do. You have no power over anyone.

Paul Jamieson said...

only power over you Hosty

I can make you type like a maniac

You cannot ignore me

You cannot stop

You are obsessed and demoralized

and Mass Equality has had enough of you just as Blue Mass Group thinks you are a detriment to conversation

Imagine - the liberals can't stand you either!!!!

LOL

So long for now Hosty

I will be back

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Think what you want Paul, your opinion is unimportant. To me all you are is that sad little man in the picture above. I wanted to give you one last chance to say something of substance, but purhaps I have overestimated your ability.

Goodbye for now Paul. I'm sure we'll talk again, you can't help yourself.