I first heard from Paul Jamieson on knowthyneighbor.org where he began posting on Tom Lang's blog. Here is an example of Paul's early days:
Do you really think that publishing peoples names will deter others from signing?
This will only serve to embolde the traditional marriage side.
Most people just want to vote for or against gay marriage. The Attorney general, just this week agreed that it should be put to a vote.
Would you display the results of an election and why people voted for who?
Maybe, and that is fine. I don't see what the big deal is. It absolutley tramples on peoples privacy, but maybe it will wake them up to the fact that they need to be out there toe to toe with the pro gay marriage folks and be heard and stand up for what they believe in.
This list will help people to see that most people would never vote for gay marriage in massachusetts.
This has been known for sometime and is the reason that gay marriage proponents are afraid of the democratic voting process.
Posted by: Paul Jamieson | September 14, 2005 at 02:36 PM
Paul also started posting under multiple monikers, and subsequently we have caught him doing this over and over again. In spite of the open hostility Paul brought right from the begining, Tom, Aaron and I tried to keep it civil, and offer answers to fears he raised. One such theme that seemed to be a mantra handed down from the now defunct Massachusetts Family Institute was that knowthyneighbor.org is about intimidation. Aaron answers this call well in this thread:
Encouraging Democracy Not Intimidation
The initiative petition process is the closest we get to direct democracy at the state government level. It allows the citizens to bypass the normal legislative process to push forward legislation on their own. In effect, the citizens become the legislators.
But that comes at a price. Just as a state senator must weigh his or her own personal convictions against those of constituents when making a decision to support or oppose legislation, so the citizen legislator must weigh his or her own personal convictions against those of friends and neighbors. The state senator risks alienating a part of the constituency. The citizen legislator risks losing respect in the community.
Now as an average citizen, realizing how much power your signature actually has can be a little scary. I can even understand how someone might feel "intimidated" by such power being vested in them by our system of democracy. But in the end, what's really going on is that individual citizens are being empowered to make decisions that directly affect the lives of their neighbors with the middle man (the legislature) taken somewhat out of the equation. This is a privilege of living in a democratic society and must be taken seriously!
Therefore, don't just sign the clipboard because it gets shoved in your face outside Stop 'n Shop and you're in a rush. Sign it because you fully understand the issue at hand, have weighed the repercussions on yourself and your neighbors, and truly believe the Commonwealth would be better off if the legislation was enacted!
We at KnowThyNeighbor.org believe that if the people of Massachusetts take the initiative petition process with the seriousness that it is due, reasonable people will see the petition for what it really is and decide not to sign it.
Aaron Toleos, Director
Of course this fell on deaf ears:
There is no question that the purpose of this website is intimidation. There is little effort made to hide it.
If I were to provide a list of the home addresses of black families to a white supremacist organization, and then say "que sera sera," would I be blameless if bad things were to happen to them? The answer is no. This is a thinly veiled incitement to harassment or violence against citizens for exercising their constitutional rights. It is no different from intimidating voters to keep them from exercising the franchise.
Most people in this state reject the use of intimidation. They will hold this website in the scorn that it deserves.
I hadn't even been aware of this petition initiative prior to reading a news story about this website. After learning of the Gestapo tactics employed by the KnowThyNeighbor group, I am now motivated to seek out the Massachusetts Family Institute and sign their petition. I will encourage my neighbors to do likewise. I am somewhat ambivalent about the subject matter, but it is better to leave it to the citizens of the Commonwealth to decide this, than to leave it in the hands of a vocal minority who has shown a willingness to incite harassment against their neighbors.
If my property is vandalized after I sign the petition, I hold the creators of this website responsible. While the cowardly perpetrators of the act may have retreated out of sight, I doubt I will have any trouble locating you. You will be called to account.
Posted by: Disapproves of Intimidation | September 13, 2005 at 06:36 PM
Paul has gone as far as threatening an elderly gay man in his sixties with a heart condition. When he asked where Mark and Nigel lived so he could have a face to face exchange with them, I stepped in and offered him to talk with me. He didn't seem so eager to meet someone who is younger and bigger than he.
Paul also couldn't keep a respectful distance when the entire GLBT community was rocked by the Jacob Robita homicidal rampage:
only have one thing to say:
PEOPLE LIKE PAUL JAMIESON, KRIS MINEAU, AND ALL THE OTHER FALSE PROPHETS ARE *** ABSOLUTELY*** RESPONSIBLE, IN PART, FOR RISING INCIDENTS SUCH AS THESE.
I have only one thing to say to you; no, two things;
Thank you for continuing to show us all the lunacy that runs through the Secular Utopian's minds and;
LET THE PEOPLE VOTE
Posted by: Paul Jamieson | February 03, 2006 at 10:01 PM
My sense of outrage led me to post his publicly listed telephone number for people to call and talk with him directly:
Please direct your comments for Paul to his home telephone number: 978-887-xxxx
I x'd out Paul's home phone. I understand that people are heated but I don't think this is constructive.
Posted by: John Hosty | February 03, 2006 at 10:35 PM
That is straight out intimidation and a page right out of the psycho in New Bedfords book.
Keep it up Salemman, you are fanning the flames and are close to a lawsuit.
Posted by: Paul Jamieson | February 03, 2006 at 11:12 PM
Aren't you going to ask to meet me eye to eye like you did with 60 year old Mark? Am I too much man for you to try to threaten in the same way? You are nothing but a coward with a big mouth.
Posted by: John Hosty | February 03, 2006 at 11:23 PM
John is not one who would lightly have posted that phone number. What you're presently witnessing, Paul, are not at all unwarranted expressions of deep grief and righteous rage. John was surely motivated by a quite understandable sense of shock and outrage over your continued insensitivity. I can hardly fault him.
Posted by: Owen R. Broadhurst | February 04, 2006 at 01:52 AM
I appologize to all for my outburst last night and for posting Paul's telephone number. I have not been prompted to appologize, it just seems like the right thing to do. I cried tears of frustration when I heard the news about what happened at Puzzles and I went to this website to read what my family here had to say. When I saw that Paul was here putting a spin on the issue like it was just another day to argue his opinions with us, I snapped. I don't think it was appropriate to list his telephone number, but I do not consider that intimidation. I felt it was giving people the ability to reach directly a person who lives to taunt us here, and could not keep himself from doing so even in one of our most painfull moments. If I had listed his address and suggested we all go over and do something to him or his property, that would be criminal.
If Tom and Aaron see it fit to continue Paul's access to this website, which would be the fair and democratic thing to do, just remember that we don't have to take the bait and answer any of his posts anymore. As far as I am concerned he no longer exists. He has never contributed anything of value or drawn our society closer together, I believe he is here solely to amuse himself at our expense, and I am not paying the bill anymore.
Posted by: John Hosty | February 04, 2006 at 08:01 PM
As you can see there were no threats like Paul wishes to claim. He himself even admits that not a single person bothered him:
I must say though, to everyone's credit here, my family didn't receive a single call. And I appreciate that.
Posted by: Paul Jamieson | February 07, 2006 at 04:44 PM
Throughout the years I have oscillated on whether or not to bother with Paul, or if some people are best left to themselves. I find it hypocritical of myself to ask my opponents to try and be respectful neighbors if I am not, so I keep trying to reach out when I find the strength. Whenever I have tried to ignore Paul, he follows me around from blog to blog with attacks and misrepresentations. He sends messages to me like this one sent on Christmas Eve day:
How pathetic is it when you write a blogpost and then comment on it yourself
get a life Hosty
Your no respect argumentrs are ridiculous as is this so called war that you wage against a society that is tolerant
You are just a selfish pig who wants special roghts at the expense of everyone else.
Posted by Paul Jamieson (deleted) to Live, Love, and Learn at December 24, 2007 2:09 PM
Even with years of exchanges, literally thousands of comments back and forth, I am no closer to understanding why Paul is so full of piss and vinegar than I was when I first came across him. So again I have tried to bring the level of dialog up a notch and give him the microphone. I offered him the chance to post a thread to my blog of his own creation. This was his response:
Here is my finished article;
LET THE PEOPLE VOTE!
and this is no game either - that is my main sentiment and always has been - but you and your radical side just love to hear yourselves talk like so many politicians and twist and make the debate about hate and anti gay and blah blah blah
it is a simple fact - everyone has the right to have a say on the matter at hand whether you belive it is a civil right or not.
Paul leaves me wondering what his fascination is with the GLBT, and what exactly he wants to contribute to the world. Given the thousands of comments he has left on KTN and elsewhere, it seems odd I would be able to say, but I geniunely still know very little about this person. I don't like what I have seen thus far, but perhaps I should sit down and listen.
Paul, you've been looking for a chance to speak up and be heard; the floor is yours...