Monday, June 08, 2009

Lies in the Name of God

I have yet again been accused of being hateful and deceitful on Jay Guillette's website dtf-jayg.blogspot.com. An orchestrated effort was made to try to trick me through numerous lies and deceptions that spanned several days through both blog posts and emails into saying something awful against Christians. Let me give readers the blow by blow of events in chronological order unedited so there is a record of the truth and people can see for themselves just how in need of help this individual is.

All italicised words are my commentary and not part of the interaction:


The first comment is on Jay's website posted after William and I have just had one of our usual exchanges.

Lillith said...
These people do need prayer JHG. They are parasites on our local communities as they reject love.

Then Lilith comes over to my website and posts:

Lillith said...
It's as if the energy from the opposition has been sucked dry. Soon, even the churches will embrace gay and lesbian marriage. Conquered by love. In another forum, I got "William," a Catholic blogger, to admit that he's thought about having oral sex with another man. LOL...soon it will all be over.

Here's my reply:

John Hosty-Grinnell said...
Jelly, it does seem like we are on quite a roll this year.

Lilith, I've seen you post a few times in the past, it's good to see you around again. I was hoping we could stay in better touch, would you mind clicking on the "follow" button on this blog so you can see what I'm up to? You seem like an Allie we could use.

I've got to know, where was this that you got William to admit that? You have to know that they can't keep the hate up when it is one sided for very long. I know love is going to conquer them just like you said.

I'm glad you came over and helped in that conversation, I hope you'll stay and help on that blog period.

Jellie, if you want a blast of "holier-than-thou" you could always follow Lilith and I over to:

dtf-jayg.blogspot.com

I'll warn you now, they can be quite rude to the GLBT. ;)

Here's Lilith's response:

Lillith said...
It was in a GLBT chat room over at Talk City. He indicated that he is the same William who posts at several Catholic blogs including DTF. I refuted his arguments and it wasn't long before he expressed his fears and frustration that the GLBT movement is defeating even the churches and is so-quickly winning the battles over gay marriage. At one point, after I refuted his objections, he admitted that his anger had been getting the best of him and that he had even thought about gay sex himself. It was one of those beautiful moments when an angry and deluded man admitted that his objections were rooted in prejudice and fear and admitted his own suppressed desires.

We are winning. We will conquer through love indeed. I have found that when intellectual arguments fail, we need to take a more powerful approach. What do I mean? I mean when challenged to try the lifestyle or asked in they have thought about it, often amazing things happen. A simple and direct approach which gets results.

We will triumph.

Now enter DawnOfAquarius, Lilith's alter ego:

DawnofAquarius said...
The New Order is upon us. New theologies are replacing the old. A new construct is inevitable. The queer gospel will dominate the old. A new and young generation is demanding new myths. The Age of Aquarius is here now. It will suck the Age of Pisces dry. It will conquer fear and hatred through the power of unrestricted love.

My response:

John Hosty-Grinnell said...
DawnofAquarius, I think you might be right. I have believed for some time now that the Holy Spirit and the second coming of Christ were metaphors for the spirit of love that is inherent in all human beings. The 2012 doomsday for me is more looking like the radical realignment of religion to understand that goodness is it's own reward.

Lilith, it might be a pain in the ass but could you go back and find the quote you're talking about so I can cite it. I'm sure you can understand why I would want to have my facts in order, especially when I want to quote that on DTF! ;)

Lilith responds:

Lillith said...
William: "It's just that lately, I have the nagging feeling that we are losing the culture war against same-sex 'marriage.' This, to me, is frustrating as our arguments are not working and we are being steamrolled in the courts and in the court of popular opinion..I have thought about gay sex and it is gravely sinful. But a powerful force which I admit at times has enthralled me. I have thought about it..but have not acted on it. I just feel at times that if we can't beat them we should join them."

And now William has fallen silent at DTF. The brave Catholic warrior vanquished by a force which will eventually overtake him.

He has been defeated. We need to overcome the others. Seduce them with our arguments and our love. Conquer them by example.

Soon, the churches will just give in. And a new Age will have triumphed.

The opposition is in panic-mode. They cannot beat us and we won't go away. They are paralyzed like a deer in the headlights....lol....and we will conquer them while they are asleep.

My response:

John Hosty-Grinnell said...
Excellent Lilith, now just give me a link to where he said this so when people ask I can point to it.

You are right, it is by our example, our persistence, and our love that they will be forced to reconcile their own homophobia. Once they take a good look in the mirror at what they've allowed themselves to become the change will occur.

Lilith responds:

Lillith said...
http://forums.talkcity.com/tc-space/chat

William has been vanquished. Now it's time to expose the rest.

My response:

John Hosty-Grinnell said...
I've been eating spoonfuls of Williams hate for years now, I doubt he is truly vanquished, but we shall see. I hope he has had a realization like you think.

As far as "the rest" I'm game, what were you thinking? Let's continue this conversation via email:

salemmaman@gmail.com

DawnofAquarius responds:

DawnofAquarius said...
And all the while he had a taste for cock himself. Bring them all down. When they have all been exposed as hypocrites, it's really over. Their credibility will be finished. Anyone who has info on the others, share it with John Grinnell.

My response:

John Hosty-Grinnell said...
Great call to action DawnofAquarius. Tom Lang and I make a point to try and know who is who out there and we do keep records, so if anyone has material to add please do.

It is most important in understanding what to do that we first KnowThyNeighbor. ;)

John Hosty-Grinnell said...
Oh, and feel free to join us over at DTF while we talk directly to those who oppose us. We need to start making a stronger presence on these blogs in order to help them and their lurkers see the light.

Any and all help in the task is welcome, tell all your friends who would help.

So that's the end of the exchange on my blog, meanwhile a few more things are said over on Jay Guillette's blog:

Anonymous said...

Save them from their hate.

Lillith said...
A new kind of love is taking the world by storm. Its power is unstoppable. It cannot be resisted. It will conquer the world and its archaic fears. Its power is irrefutable and irresistible. The future is here.

Lillith said...
Funny how quiet William is now. Defeated, he must now face his self-loathing. Face your fears William and admit defeat for yourself and your movement.

My response:

John Hosty-Grinnell said...
I have been posting on this website for years and been the target of much hatred. The exchanges here are indicative of the exchanges we have had throughout the entire time I've posted here.

I have to ask, when does one finally stop with the vitriol comments and attempt genuine constructive dialog?

My question all along this path we've taken together has been very basic; by what terms can we live in peace although we disagree?

So far that question has gone unanswered.

Pax Christi

So now William speaks up:

William said...
I see that Mr. Hosty is still up to his old tactics. Now he is allowing comments slandering me at his blog. And this without any facts to corroborate the ugly accusations. View the comments section of his post:
http://livelovelearn247.blogspot.
com/2009/06/rhode-island-feeling-
pressure-to.html

There "lillith" may be seen falsely accusing me of ugly things and Mr. Hosty not only allowing the comment without facts to ack them up but readily buying into the lies.

Further proof that the radical homosexual movement will do or say anything to achieve its goals.

My response:

John Hosty-Grinnell said...
William, if it bothers you so much when people lie about you then why do you lie about others?

I allow free conversation on the blogs I support, everyone has a right to say what they want. You'll also see that I asked Lilith to furnish proof of what she said against you, why didn't you mention that? Are you trying to be dishonest by omission?

The next three posts were erased by the blog owner, Jay Guillette. However, all people who have clicked on the article's follow option receive these posts by email which Jay is not able to undo, so there is still a varifiable record of them:

Lillith has left a new comment on the post "What everyone deserves":

So what if I lied? All is fair in this war. You are a homophobe. If I want to tell the whole world you are a queer and John Grinnell decides to publish it, that's our right.

You started this war.

And now the antagonist tells me I've been had:

DawnofAquarius has left a new comment on the post "What everyone deserves":

The "proof" you asked for wasn't supplied John. Because there isn't any. William doesn't visit chat rooms so there is no "proof." But why worry about it? Lillith is right to say all is fair right? Didn't you communicate as much to me in an email? When we exchanged emails to develop strategy to bring Christians down, I wrote, "I think we need a new strategy. Everything should be done to bring these Christian hypocrites down. Do you have contacts who can try to seduce them? Get them involved in suggestive conversations, chats, emails etc. Document it all. Get them to admit they have the same sexual urges, the same desires to suck cock. Then when you have enough, bring them down."

And you responded, "We've actually done this before, but it doesn't get much bang for our buck. The best thing to do is to beat them at their own game, using the founding principles of Christianity as our guide...Of course I am more than happy to bring a spotlight onto anyone who is vocally against gays.."

So John Hosty, you consider your techniques (trying to seduce Christians with dirty tricks etc) as falling within the "founding principles of Christianity?"

In case you haven't realized it yet, you've been "Punk'd." Anyone who wants a copy of John Hosty's offensive email may contact me at: DawnofAquarius66@yahoo.com.

Now those who visit this Blog will know you for what you are. Charity? You don't know the meaning of the word.

Oh and by the way, "Lillith" is not just a friend. We share the same brain. Consider this an exercise in military reconnaisance.

Dawn of Aquarius
aka: Wife of William

My response:

John Hosty-Grinnell has left a new comment on the post "What everyone deserves":

I will post the entire exchange on my website so people can see from beginning to end what was said and not get the soundbites you are trying to supply.

Did you really think I didn't suspect something like this? Sorry to disappoint you but you are not the first to try this dishonest method.

What is up with all the dishonesty? Don't you know that lying is a sin?

Then the antagonist changes monikers again and posts a new message:

WifeofWilliam said...
Mr. Hosty, you are a predictable little weasel. You claim you knew what was going on writing, "Did you really think I didn't suspect something like this? Sorry to disappoint you but you are not the first to try this dishonest method...Don't you know that lying is a sin?"

Nice try genius. But in your email to me today (a copy of which I will gladly forward to anyone who asks), you wrote: "..Lilith went on DTF and basically said she was lying about what she said on my blog, which of course doesn't make me look good. I don't know what to think of all this.."

You're a terrible liar Mr. Hosty. Lying bothers you? Try again. In a previous comment in this thread addressed to my husband, you wrote, "I allow free conversation on the blogs I support, everyone has a right to say what they want. You'll also see that I asked Lilith to furnish proof of what she said against you, why didn't you mention that?"

Everyone has a right "to say what they want?" Even total lies aimed at destroying another's credibility? Where is this so-called "proof" Mr. Hosty you weasel? Supply it now. Where is the actual transcript where my husband may be seen to express a desire for homosexual sex? You cannot supply one because one does not exist.

But I CAN supply proof of what I am saying. And I will. To anyone who asks for it.

It is my profound hope that JayG will keep all these comments at this thread so that readers of this Blog will know definitively that you are a dishonest weasel who will lie, calumniate, and work various dirty tricks so as to harm other Christians.

You sir are no Christian. I pretended to be someone and something else to expose you and your hideous methods. Is this wrong? Tell it to undercover FBI agents and CIA types who do this everyday to expose evil in our midst.

But your lies are intended to harm. You sir are engaged in an evil work.

Wife of William
aka DawnofAquarius

Let's take a look at those emails in full and see just what they said in their entirety:

Dawn Williams to me
show details Jun 7 (1 day ago) Reply

I think we need a new strategy. Everything should be done to bring these Christian hypocrites down. Do you have contacts who can try to seduce them? Get them involved in suggestive conversations, chats, emails etc. Document it all. Get them to admit they have the same sexual urges, the same desires to suck cock. Then when you have enough, bring them down.

We must work to undermine these Christians and their groups. Infiltrate them and finish them off. Imagine getting photos of a Catholic activist sucking cock or getting sucked?

Bring them down.

John Hosty-Grinnell to Dawn
show details Jun 7 (1 day ago) Reply


We've actually done this before, but it doesn't get much bang for our buck. The best thing to do is to beat them at their own game, using the founding principles of Christianity as our guide. Whenever they act unChristian and we become the examples they should be it creates stress for them internally as well with others who stand up and cry foul.

Of course I am more than happy to bring a spotlight onto anyone who is vocally against gays while themselves a closet case. I don't mind
those who are in the closet, I just won't tolerate them to spread
their own self hatred directed at me or mine.

I like the fact that you are angry enough to be active, and I
certainly am not excluding what you have said here as an option. Did
you have anyone in particular you had in mind that might fit our needs as a viable person of interest?

John

Dawn Williams to me
show details 10:32 PM (23 hours ago) Reply

I think they all need to come down. Jerry Maneker wrote an awesome post on toxic christianity. You should post that using William as a prime example. William's homophobia is textbook self-loathing. I mean come on, he castigates you while secretly fantasizing about oral sex with men.

His credibility is finished.


John Hosty-Grinnell to Dawn
show details 6:55 PM (2 hours ago) Reply

Perhaps not. Lilith went on DTF and basically said she was lying about what she said on my blog, which of course doesn't make me look good. I don't know what to think of all this but Jerry always writes good articles. I'll check it out.

On an unrelated article titled: A Prayer for Peace on Earth this was left:

DawnofAquarius said...
I pray that William will honestly face up to his own homophobic sins and repent for them. I call upon William to admit that he wants cock.

So we have this whirlwind of lies aimed at trying to trip me up into saying something that would discredit me, but in the end only serve to show how far off the path of Christianity hate can bring some people.

One thing is for sure, there's a whole lot of dishonesty going on, and none of it is attributable to me; I've opened the entire affair to the public.

How would Lilith, aka dawnofaquarius, aka wifeofWilliam have the ability to selectively delete posts on Jay's blog? The answer is obvious, but I'll allow the readers to draw their own conclusions. ;)


Jay Guillette teaches Bible study on Fridays at the Cathedral of Saint Paul 38 High Street Worcester MA 01609 508-799-4193.

6 comments:

jelly said...

Wow, cruddy apples! What a post!

I don't even know where to begin with this stuff.

I hate religious banter.

Everyone should be calm and have a cupcake. :-)

Jerry Maneker said...

Hi John: When someone lies to try and entrap another, seemingly "in the name of God," if, in fact, that is what Lilith was doing, is unChristian on its face. I no longer "dialogue" with homophobes for two major reasons: 1. Prejudice isn't going to be changed by logic and facts; 2. To argue with them puts them on the same moral plane as those who love as Jesus told us to love. And when one lies in order to entrap someone else, that person by definition has shown him/herself to either not be a Christian or to be a very immature one. Let all this nonsense roll off your back. You've shown yourself over the years to be far better than the Lilith's of the world. Best wishes, Jerry.

jelly said...

You are a much better person...I'd let it all go also.

What silliness.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

I went back to the website in question and let him know that although I am not fooled I do forgive him. It is not my forgiveness he's going to need though, lies are evil and you cannot to good through the use of evil.

It's hard for me to know where to draw the line. Do I stop talking to people that seem like they are beyond saving, or do I keep trying in hope they will some day see the light?

I'm not talking about being saved through Christ but more globally being saved from the power hate has to comsume us.

jelly said...

Sometimes you have to let it go. Some people or things are a loss cause.
You can only say and do some much, you know?

You may have done the best you could. You have a good heart John and if someone doesn't see that or understand you or what your trying to say, it is there loss.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Thanks for the kind words Jelly, I think you are pretty great too! ;)

I'm going to keep posting with them, but if I can't take the heat I take your advice and get out of the kitchen.