Sunday, June 01, 2008

Let the People Vote?

This is Democracy in action:

(CBS) A Port St. Lucie, Fla., mother is outraged and considering legal action after her son's kindergarten teacher led his classmates to vote him out of class.

Melissa Barton says Morningside Elementary teacher Wendy Portillo had her son's classmates say what they didn't like about 5-year-old Alex. She says the teacher then had the students vote, and voted Alex, who is being evaluated for Asperger's syndrome -- an autism spectrum disorder -- out of the class by a 14-2 margin.



Jane Know said...

Wow, so these children are learning at a young age, the concepts of marginalization and group bullying of "outcast" members of society through alleged "democracy." Bravo to the teacher for instilling such positive values.

Paul Jamieson said...

not even worth a comment

Ryan Charisma said...

but can he get married?

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

I find it interesting that you don't see this subject worth commenting on Paul, why is that? Is the subject not gay enough for you? ;)

Ryan, thanks for the support over on DTF. Your comments are stunningly dead on, I'm glad for the company.

Jane Know said...

Some people (like Paul) will go to any length just to disagree with something on a "pro-gay" or "liberal" blog or website. Even if he actually finds something wrong with a class voting an autistic child out of their classroom like a reality tv show contestant.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Well said Jane.

I wonder how Paul would feel if it were one of his children that this happened to?

Paul Jamieson said...

This is just classic liberal bloggo crap you like to try to shock people with.

Do you realize how stupid you look?

"(The teacher) said she did this as she felt that if (the child) heard from his classmates how his behavior affected them that it would make a bigger difference to him, rather than just hearing it from adults," reads the report released by the police department.

"After students shared their view, Morningside Elementary teacher Wendy Portillo had them vote, but said the vote was only to keep (the child) out of class for the day, not for good," Wixon wrote.

"(The boy) was in the process of being tested for Asperger's Syndrome, a type of high-functioning autism, at the time of the incident. His mother, Melissa Barton, said a private psychologist officially diagnosed him Tuesday with an autism-spectrum disorder and attention deficit disorder," Wixon wrote."

I don't think the kid should have been in the classroom in the first place if he's so disruptive.

John said...

The sound you just heard is my point going over Paul's head.

Paul Jamieson said...

you have no point

You sensationalized a story.

The parents should be charged with stupidity for trying to fit their round peg into a square hole.

Its a distraction to the other kids John

Get the kid the help he needs.

This whole desire to make retarded kids feel normal by placing them in "regular" schools is a lose-lose for everyone.

More liberal feel good agenda driven BS

Ryan Charisma said...


do you even know any children like this. I spent my undergraduate years working in a home for profoundly retarded adults and the ONE thing they do respond to is inclusion like they're just like everyone else... only they have a disability. That means going to school, carrying a lunch, wearing the latest fad clothes. No, they're not always well behaved. But then again, they are human.

How can you consider any human a 'square peg'? Horrible.

John said...

And that, Ryan is what is wrong with modern conservatives.

Absolutely meanness.

Fit into our precious rule-based majoritarian society of get out.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Children of this early age should be made to feel as included as they can. The child was being tested for Asperger's, we don't know if he even has it.

I am critical of the way the teacher handled this. She should have never brought the entire class to vote on this kid. All that did was set up a situation where they now see him as bad, even if that weren't true.

I still haven't heard what you would do if this happened to your child Paul.

John said...

No child should ever be subjected to humiliation before his/her peers.


John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Especially not instigated by an Adult who is paid to look after their welfare.

Paul Jamieson said...

attack of the blue meanies

boo hoo wha wha wha

they were mean to me mommy now I have to kill them or change into a girl or wha wha wha make everyone miserable because I cannot swear out loud in my class! I can't wear a dress and high heels so I am going to make sure everyone knows I am here!!! I am woman hear me roar.

Get the child the help they need. Do not torture them by putting them into a "normal" class.

So John - How do you deal with humiliation in front of your peers? How is that handled. The kid probably doesn't even fell humiliation - he is so messed up , they had to send him away for an acute diagnosis.

poor bleeding heart liberals who don't like mean people..... hahahahahah too much.

John said...

The kid is 5 years old and he was humiliated in front of his peers by the TEACHER!

Have you no compassion?

You don't want this kid helped; you want to deny him the help he needs by segregating him.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Again Paul, like I'm talking to a small child I have to remind you to behave yourself on this blog. Dissenting opinions are welcome, but if all you have to contribute is smarmy abuse expect it to be erased and ignored.

I'll leave this last one up but after that you are put on notice.

Paul Jamieson said...

John - did you read the story about what she was trying to accomplish?

The parents need to get that child help.

You can't handle reality - you live in a fantasy world of pseudo equality and bullshit


John said...

The story is irrelevant.

Ir this child needed something he wasn't getting, the adults need to handle it.

This teacher must be fired and never allowed to work with children again.

John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Where is the outrage? This is an excellent question, this is the type of dialog that is worth having Paul.

You're right in part. Remember that the kid was being evaluated and had not been diagnosed yet. Without the diagnosis I would expect him to be in a normal classroom. After all, kids are just like adults in the sense that some of them are just jerky. His acting out could also have been a result of poor parenting.

In the end I would have to side with John and say that teachers have no place turning children against each other, which is essentially what she did.